Capitol Man
9:14 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Fo the Communist 8:20 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
Only thing I can think of is that he lost Noble as the connection to the dressing room. Even then though he was back for the new year. We are starting to look a bit better now though.
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Jasnik
8:29 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Pogers or Rotters.
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Lee Trundle
8:20 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Where were you for the 1999/2000 season, Matty?
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Fo the Communist
8:20 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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No doubt Moyes has to go but I'd love to know what went on behind the scenes to kick the wheels off the wagon so spectacularly.
There was no doubt that in the first portion of Moyes' management we played some great stuff. In some of the away wins at Leeds, Villa, Leicester etc - places we would historically roll over - we were fantastic. As we were in some of the European games (Lyon away). Rarely seen anything like it in flashes never mind over most of two seasons and for a while it looked as though something worthy was finally being built.
But even allowing for the fact that every manager eventually goes stale, the rate and manner of Moyes' decline - and that of the team - is remarkable.
There's something very rotten taken hold that won't easily be flushed out with the departure of Moyes. Not while that stunted cunt Sullivan is anywhere near the place anyhow.
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Dr Matt
7:58 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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17th and winning the Europa Conference League would make it our best season since 1975 when we won a competition and finished higher (13th) in the top division.
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Capitol Man
6:57 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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I think the time has come for him to move on.
But two good seasons 6th and 7th and he could potentially win a European trophy this year. Add in the run to the semis last year.
If we win the conference league and finish say 12th, is that a good or a bad season for us historically?
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GoalLazio
8:21 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Capitol - how can Moyes be considered a success? He has been found out, we play shit uninspiring football, are relegation fodder, has wasted 150 million quid, sticks with same boring tactics with his favourite players and has won fuck all.
Beating a few second rate European clubs is no compensation even if we win it.
Get rid of the cunt and our pony owners who took us to that terrible stadium that they lied about to line their pockets - ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated.
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the straw
1:09 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Neither. Xabi Alonso.
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Capitol Man
12:50 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Don't get me wrong. A well-run club can make a huge difference, and we are certainly not that. I think it's just too early to tell on whether it was Potter or the people running the club that drove the success. They sustain it for another year then I think you can put more on the club, but Potter had then playing good football without much of a cutting edge. A new man coming has a solid base to build upon.
I think Moyes should go in the summer, but I do think some of the criticism is unfair. He has to go down as one of our most successful managers and I think we will stay up reasonably easily in the end as the goal difference alone shows we are a bit better than the sides around that. We also have a decent chance of a European cup win.
But having said that we should have pushed onto the next level and we haven't.
I'd love to get Carrick in but it's all a bit risky, but then I suppose everything is.
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Nagel
12:34 Tue Apr 4
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Pelligrini seemed to be one of those managers who just can't get out a tailspin. Had it here when Fabianski got injured, and we were 5th after 7 games until that happened. Had it at Man City when it became known that Pep was taking over in the summer: they only won 5 of his remaining 14 games.
You're right about Brighton being the new Southampton, and that it might not last, but then Soton have had new owners twice in the last 5 years, so their whole management structure has probably changed since their heyday a few years back.
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Capitol Man
9:37 Mon Apr 3
Re: Potter or rogers?
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And I say that having been a great supporter of Pelligrini when he came in. He gave a few interviews where he said he wasn't going to try to adapt to teams, that'd we would set the tone and play the right way, and the opposition would react to us.
That was great - until we kept losing.
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Capitol Man
9:19 Mon Apr 3
Re: Potter or rogers?
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How about Pelligrini?
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Yarmouth
9:17 Mon Apr 3
Re: Potter or rogers?
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I'd just like a manager who wants to play attacking football.
Is that too much to fucking ask?
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Capitol Man
9:11 Mon Apr 3
Re: Potter or rogers?
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That's the point though - it's difficult to tell which it is until later. It was Southampton for a while that seemed to be able to change managers and sell a shit load of good players and still be reasonably successful - that hasn't lasted forever though.
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Nagel
8:56 Mon Apr 3
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Doesn't that suggest that it's the overall management of the club that benefits each new manager, rather than the specific predecessors? If a club knows how to identify the right managers and players for the future then they'll be a lot more successful than clubs who just wing it, like ours.
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Capitol Man
8:29 Mon Apr 3
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With Brighton it's happened a few times where a new manager comes in and benefits from the work done from his predecessor - be interesting to see if it lasts.
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LAF
8:18 Mon Apr 3
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Everything is binary these days.
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diehardhammer
7:29 Mon Apr 3
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Potter rejected Leicester
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Nagel
7:06 Mon Apr 3
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The rest of that C&H alleged quote from a club higher up says, "Potter has been flattered by Brighton’s computer analysis which is run by the owner, and it is that system which buys all the players.”
Would be good if Sullivan & Kretinsky could also take note that Brighton also constantly scout and track managerial candidates, which is why they earmarked Potter in the first place and were able to so easily replace him and do even better, even though his successor had no PL experience. If things go bad for the new manager then I doubt they'd ever just shrug and say there's no-one better to take over.
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Swiss.
6:54 Mon Apr 3
Re: Potter or rogers?
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Rogers no. A busted flush now.
Potter I’m not sure. If you see how well Brighton are doing and even after selling Trossard , Curcurella and Maupay.
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aldgate
6:40 Mon Apr 3
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Our owners are beyond parody. Moyes must have worse info on them than soucek has on him
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